Iain Dale is Leading Britain's Conversation.
4 November 2016, 11:36
James O'Brien wants caller Chris to answer some simple questions about why he's so angry at the High Court ruling on Brexit, since the reason he voted to Leave is to get control of laws back from Europe.
"Why are you cross about yesterday?" asked James, "when the British people, who like you want British parliamentary sovereignty and British law applied by British judges in British courts...so you're really cross about something happening that is exactly what you want."
"You guys just won't let us leave," replied Chris. "You can't accept the fact that we're going to leave the single market...they think leaving the single market is the worst thing that can happen to this country and it's not."
"I'm going to labour this point until you explain it to me a little better," continued James. "Yesterday British law was applied by British judges in British courts and you're furious."
Chris: "I'll give you the answer. Once we've triggered Article 50 and then we've left the European Union, then we can really say we have British law. Until then I think it's corrupt and we need to get it sorted."
"You're not answering my question."
"Until we trigger Article 50, there is no British law."
James's response to that? "If you go out now and kill someone, what happens?
"What are those consequences called?"
Chris: "The law."
"But it doesn't exist until we trigger Article 50."
Chris really wound up James with his next statement. "The way you're going to make this look...every working man will call in and be made look stupid - "
"I'm a working man!" replied James. "How dare you suggest that people who work are all incapable of justifying their own arguments. Everybody works!"