Clive Bull is Leading Britain's Conversation, including the Legal Hour at 9pm.
2 January 2017, 11:05
Caller Joseph accused Katie Hopkins of using her LBC show to "find different ways to be racist". This is her response.
"You only choose to speak about the ethnic people who commit crimes," Joseph told Katie, "instead of talking about the crimes that have been committed in society. That's why you come across as racist."
Is Katie Hopkins 'Racist'? This Caller Thinks So
Katie Hopkins and a caller do battle over the word 'racism'.
"Do you think that's racist?" asked Katie.
"I genuinely believe 'racist' as a word has been used so much, Joseph, I'm sorry for the word racist in a way. I love language.
"It's become used so much, it's like a regular word now, it's lost all meaning to me.
"If I'm called racist, it's just the same as someone offering me a tea or a coffee, it's such a mundane word. I think that's unfortunate, don't you Joseph, when we overuse a word?"
Joseph's respoonse? "No, I don't think that's unfortunate.
"'Racist' is used so often because it's occuring so often."
Katie's final point with Joseph? That just like being branded 'racist', she was used to being called 'thick' - because she voted Leave.