Iain Dale is Leading Britain's Conversation.
"You're telling me you think he is eighteen?" Nick Ferrari really turns up the heat on this Calais refugee campaigner.
Josie Naughton is the co-founder at Help Refugees UK and she joined Nick to tell him about the demolition of the Calais camp.
But her relaxed attitude to the appearance of some of the first refugees really riled Nick. He believes that some of them are adults.
"This guy doesn't need an age test, he needs carbon dating," said Nick of one migrant.
Watch Nick's incredulous response in this lively interview.