‘A shameless play for power’: Emily Maitlis speaks out against those who decry media as ‘fake news’

24 August 2022, 20:14 | Updated: 24 August 2022, 21:57

Emily Maitlis addressed crowds at the Edinburgh TV Festival
Emily Maitlis addressed crowds at the Edinburgh TV Festival. Picture: Alamy

By Daisy Stephens

Emily Maitlis has warned of the perils of accusations of "fake news" by those in positions of power, telling crowds at the Edinburgh TV Festival it is "a means to achieve and retain power".

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The broadcaster, whose podcast with Jon Sopel called The News Agents launches next week, described a strategy whereby politicians "kick down belief in a trusted source of news" and then 'shamelessly' "step in to the breach".

"Populism... is a method of campaigning, often in the guise of the underdog," she said.

"Populist parties can shape shift between the right and left, attract voters of traditional parties or none.

"It’s not an ideology. It is a means to achieve and retain power."

She said it is a tool used to 'make the audience doubt what they are seeing', describing it as a ‘shameless play for power and dominance’.

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Recounting an interview with Donald Trump loyalist Sebastian Gorka just after Mr Trump became president, she said: "He used our time on air – and that of many of my colleagues – as an effective conduit to sell a key Populist message: That the mainstream media could be dismissed as 'fake'.

"Once you understand how this works, it seems so obvious.

"You kick down belief in a trusted source of news, you make the audience doubt what they are seeing and you step in to the breach; a shameless play for power and dominance."

Emily also said the BBC "sought to pacify" Number 10 by issuing a swift apology for her Newsnight monologue about Dominic Cummings as she said the programme's introduction received "way more attention than in truth it ever deserved".

Referencing both former US president Donald Trump and the Brexit debate, Maitlis described her "thesis" as being that both "political actors" and politics itself have changed but journalists are yet to catch up.

In her lecture, which she called 'Boiling Frog: Why We Have To Stop Normalising The Absurd', she criticised the BBC's response to the 2020 Newsnight instalment in which she opened the episode by saying Mr Cummings, then Boris Johnson's chief adviser, had "broken the rules" with a lockdown trip to Durham and "the country can see that, and it's shocked the Government cannot".

The broadcaster received more than 20,000 complaints and ruled Maitlis breached impartiality rules, saying in a statement: "We believe the introduction we broadcast did not meet our standards of due impartiality."

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Maitlis said the programme initially "passed off with a few pleasant texts from BBC editors and frankly little else".

She said: "It was only the next morning that the wheels fell off. A phone call of complaint was made from Downing Street to the BBC News management.

"This - for context - is not unusual. It wasn't unusual in the Blair days - far from it - in the Brown days, in the Cameron days. What I'm saying is it's normal for government spin doctors to vocalise their displeasure to journalists.

"What was not foreseen was the speed with which the BBC sought to pacify the complainant. Within hours, a very public apology was made, the programme was accused of a failure of impartiality, the recording disappeared from the iPlayer, and there were paparazzi outside my front door."

Maitlis said the media shows its impartiality when it reports "without fear or favour" and "when we are not scared to hold power to account, even when it feels uncomfortable to do so".

She added: "When we understand that if we've covered rule-breaking by a Scottish chief medical officer or an English government scientist then journalistic rigour should be applied to those who make policy within Number 10.

"The one person - ironically - who understood this was Dominic Cummings himself, who texted me that very evening to offer his wry support.

"So, back to the speed of response. Why had the BBC immediately and publicly sought to confirm the Government spokesman's opinion, without any kind of due process?

"It makes no sense for an organisation that is, admirably, famously rigorous about procedure - unless it was perhaps sending a message of reassurance directly to the Government itself?"

In an apparent reference to Theresa May's former communications director Sir Robbie Gibb, Maitlis added: "Put this in the context of the BBC Board, where another active agent of the Conservative party - former Downing Street spin doctor and former adviser to BBC rival GB News - now sits, acting as the arbiter of BBC impartiality."

Maitlis, who joined the BBC in 2001 and presented Newsnight from 2006 until earlier this year when she announced her departure, also claimed journalists are now self-censoring to avoid "backlash" for their work.

She recalled feeling conflicted over a 2020 interview she conducted with Hollywood star Robert De Niro in which he "raged" about Mr Trump's "mishandling of the pandemic".

After describing how she tried to balance the actor's claims about Mr Trump, she said: "We finish the pre-recorded interview; Adam Cumiskey is the output editor and he's a big film buff. But as we are heading up in the lift I turn to Adam and say, 'We can't possibly put this out. It's too anti-Trump.'

"Adam looks at me to see if I'm joking, and I'm not. I am terrified that by putting out the interview as it stands we will be seen as biased.

"De Niro is a world-famous actor, and a New Yorker, and has chosen our programme, Newsnight, as the place to land his thoughts quite carefully.

"So why do I feel unable to let him say it without trying to find an equally world-famous actor who that same night is miraculously going to tell us the opposite?

"And wouldn't I be tumbling into both-sideism - false equivalence - even if we had?"

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Maitlis apologised to those who thought she would speak about her headline-grabbing interview with the Duke of York, adding: "That will have to wait 'til next time."

During the November 2019 interview, Prince Andrew was grilled over his relationship with billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, and the interview went on to win the scoop of the year at the Royal Television Society Awards in 2020, with Maitlis also named network presenter of the year.

A BBC spokesperson said: "The BBC places the highest value on due impartiality and accuracy and we apply these principles to our reporting on all issues.

"As we have made clear previously in relation to Newsnight we did not take action as a result of any pressure from Number 10 or Government and to suggest otherwise is wrong.

"The BBC found the programme breached its editorial standards and that decision still stands."

The MacTaggart Lecture has formed the centrepiece of the Edinburgh TV Festival since 1976 and has been delivered by a host of notable figures, including actress and writer Michaela Coel, broadcaster Jon Snow, and fellow former Newsnight host Jeremy Paxman.

Other names to have given the address include Rupert Murdoch and Armando Iannucci.

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